Posts by Grayson Robbns:
I’ve made a couple of improvements to the site that may be of interest to all. First, I integrated Facebook events to be viewable through the site. Secondly, and similar to Facebook events, there is an Upcoming events page listing events of the area which allows players to express their interest in whether they will attend. Check the menu links above for both these features.
Not that anyone actual pre-registers on websites or Facebook legitimately these days, but for tournament directors, it’s nice to have some expectations for who is going to show! One possibility though, it has the ability to link to a payment page for event pre-registering. Having not TD’d in a few years, I am not familiar with Disc Golf Scene and other sites that allow clubs to advertise and have players register. I believe, but not sure, that they take a portion of the payment (possibly a dollar, maybe less).
This aspect intrigues me, as IMHO, wouldn’t it be much better for those registration dollars to remain locally?
For example, a club like the TDGA hosted eight tournaments during the year which average fifty players. Over the course of the year, this total $400 if using a third-party registration site. (50 Players) x (8 tournaments) x ($1) = $400! Not chump change, again IMHO!
The above images reflect some of the areas we’ll be tackling in the coming weeks. Hopefully, the city won’t be adding any more trees to the already plentiful amount laying around the course. I truly believe if we have fairly good overall participation and enough volunteers with chainsaws, we will make a huge difference in the aesthetics of the course, plus it will be safer and more enjoyable to play.
New signage and tee pads will come at a later time. Our goal for these workdays is to clear the clutter of the course, possibly repair or construct new benches, and basically improve the overall perceived quality of the course.
One important factor is we all need to be one the same page. Over-clearing and removing too many obstacles or challenges of the course can be just as devastating as the Pine Beetles. If it’s questionable, check with myself or a Board Member for an opinion. Please remember this, as we don’t want to take any steps backward while trying to improve the course.
If you plan to participate and have tools, it would be an enormous help if you will advise in advance of your plans. Having tools IS NOT a prerequisite, many bodies are needed to haul away the many limbs and trees that presently adorn our fairways. Gloves are recommended.
Let’s all show Veterans some love for all the good rounds it has provided us. We can knock this out quickly … together! Hope you have plans to attend!
Being an old-time disc golfer who’s competitive days are long past, I can relate to the attached article. Like many who may be reading this post, I love the sport. It offers social interaction. It satisfies my inner need for competition, whether it be against others or against myself. It allows my aging body desperately needed exercise. It is an important factor in my life for calming and satisfying my mind, body, and spirit! However, the PDGA requires an annual fee to support the sport we love. But, as the article points out, is it fair?
For the ability to compete, I believe it’s a fair price to pay. But for advocates of the sport like myself … more a casual player than competitive, I just want to support the game I love. I believe there are many similar to myself in this respect. As the article states, this is an opportunity lost, not just for added funding for the sport, but for acceptance and advertising the wonderful benefits of the game.
How do you feel? Please take the short survey at the end of this post and let us know!
PDGA vs. USGA membership: One way the barrier to entry is higher in disc golf than in ball golf
Posted on February 14, 2013 by frisbeebrain
Saying that I am a disc golf supporter and even an ardent promoter would be an understatement. Kinda like stating labrador retrievers like to chase things and bring them back, or killer whales prefer to eat meat.
I write two for two blogs exclusively dedicated to disc golf, and have a book in the works. My side business – School of Disc Golf – is more about spreading the word than generating income. I produce a TV show/video magazine on disc golf. I have served as an officer for my local disc golf club, helped to design and install several courses, and talk about disc golf to whoever is willing to listen. I proudly hold PDGA #9715, which nowadays marks me as ‘old school’.
However, I am not a current member of the PDGA, disc golf’s governing organization.
In the past membership was a no-brainer, as it was required if you wanted to participate in certain sanctioned events. But raising young kids and injuries have effectively halted my participation in all but local, one-day competitions, so I’m no longer compelled to be a PDGA for that reason alone.
One year, the PDGA sent special stickers to renewing members. They obviously knew that most PDGA members were also tournament players
Don’t misunderstand. Being able to compete in sanctioned events wasn’t the only reason I joined the PDGA. I somewhat enjoyed the magazine that came with membership, in both iterations (Disc Golf World News and the current version), and was proud to do my part in supporting the main organization representing the sport I love. But right around the time I stopped playing in big events I also found myself out of work, and all superfluous expenses had to go. After 13 consecutive years of membership, my streak ended in 2010.
Now I find myself gainfully employed once again and would like to reinstate my PDGA membership, even though my big event days (at least for the foreseeable future) are behind me. I want to support disc golf in every way possible, and even though I feel the reporting doesn’t come close to what we produce daily at RattlingChains.com, I’d like to receive the magazine once again. But here’s the rub: I play in the ‘professional’ Masters division, and as such, I’d have to pay $75.
At this point, I view the cost of PDGA membership – in my case – like the cost of a movie ticket. I can afford both, but it’s the principle of the thing (seriously- $12 to see a movie?). Why doesn’t the PDGA offer a membership level for people who simply want to support the sport’s growth- who don’t play tournaments and don’t need all the infrastructure that manages and supports competitive play?
For a comparison, let’s look to – of all places – ball golf. In their world, the Professional Golfers’ Association is an organization for the actual professional golfers and teaching pros. The USGA (U.S. Golf Association), on the other hand, is for everyone who plays and supports golf. In disc golf, the PDGA is a combination of the two.
Are you with me so far? Good.
Earlier on in my disc golf life, I needed to belong to a ‘PGA-like’ organization. I played in everything from little C-tier events to world championships and the USDGC, obsessed over my player rating once those were established, and used the PDGA site to find and register for events. But nowadays I simply want to belong to something like the USGA. Unfortunately, I don’t have that option.
When I contacted the PDGA’s membership manager Sara Nicholson a year ago suggesting the organization add a ‘supporting’ membership option at a much lower cost than the $75 for pro players and $50 for amateurs, she agreed and mentioned that she hears that request often. Yet nothing has changed.
My own personal preferences aside, I think the PDGA is missing a big opportunity on this issue, and I can use the old iceberg analogy to illustrate my point. As you know, only the tip of an iceberg is visible above the surface of the water, and similarly, only a small fraction of disc golf enthusiasts will ever even consider playing in sanctioned events. As a consequence of this – and the high cost of membership – only a tiny fraction of the people who love disc golf, play regularly, and want others to learn about it’s redeeming qualities are PDGA members.
If you don’t believe $50-$75 annually is too much to support a sport you love, consider the USGA. Their lowest level of membership costs only $10 per person, and it comes with quite an impressive list of benefits besides supporting the game:
U.S. Open golf hat
Latest edition of
The Rules of Golf
USGA Championship Preview
Advance opportunity to purchase
U.S. Open 7-day ticket packages
USGA bag tag and Member ID
Various Member-only special offers and discounts
Behind-the-scenes volunteer opportunities
New PDGA members get a PDGA-stamped disc. The author’s is now a well-worn practice putter
I understand that the PDGA does not have the resources of the USGA, but feel strongly that it just makes sense to offer membership to those who don’t play sanctioned events and don’t need the related services. It should be at a low enough cost level that pretty everyone can afford it, and it should be marketed at a grassroots level everywhere the sport is played.
In more than 30 years, the amount of people that have joined the PDGA is still well under 100,000. If the PDGA were to immediately do as I suggest, I think it could easily pass the half-million mark by 2015. That’s gotta be worth something, right?
What do you think? Am I right? Wrong? A cheap so-and-so? Or do you agree that the PDGA should broaden it’s horizons and embrace the much larger group of purely recreational disc golfers? Let us know!
Please take our short survey
As we prepare for the Bring’n Back Vets series of work days and events, I’ve put together a short survey and offer it to gauge player’s feelings of the course so that it’s future planning may accommodate the needs, desires, and wishes of it’s users. The goal is to make not only the Veterans course but all courses, the very best they can be.
I am sure you read the title of this article and wonder what Facebook has to do with disc golf, right? Whether we like it, or not, Facebook has become the main source of communications for many disc golf clubs. With this article we delve into the pros and cons of Facebook and it’s shortcomings in regards to the sport.
Facebook has truly taken over the world when it comes to online communication and social media. Not too many years ago it was common for most disc golf associations to have a legitimate website that offered club information, chat features, and forums for members to relay information. The onset of Facebook created an “easier” way for members to communicate, especially when seeking a quick round or fellow players looking to join in, finding a disc on the course, or anyone seeking to sell DG related items. This likely it’s most used aspect for disc golfers.
Next may be it’s Events feature that allows users to set up events, invite and share event details through Facebook, and allow viewers to relay if they may be coming, interested, or not coming. Granted, that is a cool feature but if anyone ever took a survey of accuracy of such information, I believe they would see that it is far from accurate.
Between instant communications and advertising event, that in my honest opinion, is about all Facebook delivers! Granted, these bits of detail go a long way for daily communication and are certainly worthy, but they are really superficial in terms of real information.
What if a member asks for the results of an event held a few months ago, or the lengths of the holes for a certain course, the meeting notes from last year, the club budget, even a course map or scorecard? Yes, Facebook offers files feature where these items could be available, but most sites I’ve visited don’t use this feature. The point being, Facebook does a lousy job of historical data. Even if you remember an interesting post from a few weeks ago, you’ll likely find yourself scrolling endlessly backwards in search of it.
Another downfall, and this pertains more to larger clubs with an active Facebook page, is that a user’s post is only temporary. Facebook replaces each post with newer ones no matter of their importance. Whether they are found discs, rants, someone’s first ace, or whatever, the most current posting shows up first on the Facebook feed. Personally, I’ve watched important information about events, results, or work days slowly fade downward into oblivion. Pardon my language, but it sucks to have to scroll down fifty posts to get detail results from last week’s mini. don’t cha think?
So, in summary, Facebook has it’s place for instant gratification but fails for long term historical information. We’ll go over remedies and alternative in a later post, but for now, I gotta go see ywho’s playing later today via Facebook!
What’s your club use? Give us some feedback via the below poll:
- Finding details for upcoming Events - 0
- Finding a quick round with others - 0
- Returning a found disc - 0
- Event results - 0
- Other, please specify via the "new option" button - 0
It seems random drawings for selling merchandise is the new marketing plan for many in disc golf. Random.org has gotten some good publicity from it too! But what if you wanted to select multiple random winners?
Being part techno-junkie, I looked into this and came across a bit of code that does the trick! Check out the program below and feel free to use it if you’re running a raffle!
Raffle Random Number(s) Generator
Generate any number(s) of random values without repeats
If you would like to compete in a “Pitch n’ Putt” type event like the trial one of March 18th, when would be the best time?
- Saturday Mornings 9am - 4
- Friday Evenings 6pm - 0
- Sunday Evenings 5pm - 1
- Other - 0
PP11 events should not conflict or overlap scheduled tournaments, minis, or other DG related events of the TDGA. The “Pitch n’ Putt” format includes 18 holes of disc golf plus 33 to 44 putts per event. Some events may be putting events only and may be up to 66 putts. If you’re not familiar with the Pure Putt 11 Android app, check this link. There are three putting format that will be used: Strategy, Pure, & Ladder. It’s good to know before your throw! 😉
All rounds are recorded in a database so you’ll be able to track your improvements as time goes by! All rounds scheduled at no charge and no payouts, Should enough interest and participation amass, we’ll discuss those option at that time.
Anyway, the 3-18 round was lots of fun and I believe a lil’ variety is truly that spice of life. Hope you’ll give it a shot!
Pure Putt 11 Intro is in the books. Thanks to Scott and Andrew Pilcher for joining in on this initial “pitch and play” format.
Scores will be added to the database later but here’s the outcome:
Round 1 – Strategy Format (2 rounds of 11 putts each)
55.11 A Pilcher
58.14 G Robbins
71.03 S Pilcher
Round 3 – Pure Format (1 round of 11 putts)
48.22 G Robbins
55.6 S Pilcher
59.63 A Pilcher
Round 2 – 18 Holes Vets Original
55 G Robbins
64 S Pilcher
73 A Pilcher
Round 4 – Ladder format (1 round of 11 putts)
67.06 A Pilcher
68.56 G Robbins
73.51 S Pilcher
229.92 G Robbins
254.08 A Pilcher
264.14 S Pilcher
The rain blew out and it was a great morning of DG. The PP11 app performed great and the combination of putting and playing a round has begun. T’was fun and added a new twist. We’ll do this again soon!